Hemings

Pearl Hinds Roberts was the daughter of Lucy McKinney and Wiley Hinds, a former slave who left Arkansas in 1858 for the Central Valley of California.  The Hinds family divided its time between Oakland and their large cattle ranch in Tulare County.  Pearl Hinds studied music at the Boston Conservatory and Oberlin College, as well as with Fossett descendant Pauline Powell Burns in Oakland.  For a time she headed the music department at what is now South Carolina State University.

In 1921 she married Frederick Madison Roberts, then a member of the California legislature.  They lived in Los Angeles, where continued her musical career as organist and choir director in various churches.  From 1942, she worked in retail—the first black salesperson in a downtown department store.  Her watchword was, “If you have ideals, hang on to them despite disappointments.”

Three daughters of Consuelo and Elmer Wayles Roberts were interviewed together in Los Angeles: Paula Henderson, Robin Roberts-Martin, and Ellen Hodnett, a teacher and school principal.  They recalled their father, a graduate of U.C.L.A., a mortician, and a probation officer.  In 1976 he told Time magazine he thought Thomas Jefferson would be “unhappy about man’s inability to learn anything about living with his fellow man, despite all the advances in technology.” 

The Roberts sisters had vivid memories of their grandfather William Giles Roberts, who ran the family mortuary before moving to his farm northeast of Los Angeles.  They are proud of the Robertses as one of the earliest and most influential black families in Los Angeles.  As for their Jefferson ancestry, the genetic tests of 1998 were “just a scientific confirmation of what we already knew.”  As Paula Henderson said, “It was really important in the Roberts family that each person do something important.  It didn’t matter who your relatives were if you didn’t do something yourself.”

George “Jack” Pettiford grew up in a mostly white neighborhood in Greenfield in a still segregated Ohio.  After playing baseball with his white friends, he could not go to a restaurant with them afterward.  When he joined the Navy in World War II, he was pressed to enter a white unit and had to insist that he serve with blacks.  He and his wife, Jacqueline Diggs, raised four children in Columbus.  He attained a supervisory position at the Rockwell Corporation only after many disappointments because of discrimination. He and his wife and his sister Ann Medley participated in the very first interview of the Getting Word project in 1993.  While the women were criticizing the sexual behavior of Jefferson and other slaveholders, Jack raised his voice to say, “But overall he was a great man… And he’s history.  He’s history and he’s great.”

Jacqueline Diggs grew up on a farm in Jackson County, Ohio, member of a family of very light-skinned people who “went as black,” as she says.  Her own appearance made it possible for her to help to break down segregation in the job market in Columbus.  She was married to George “Jack” Pettiford for more than forty years and they raised four children.  When asked when he told her about his ancestry, she laughingly said, “I thought it was a joke.  I thought he was being funny.  But I had hopes — I had hopes that he would turn out like Thomas Jefferson.”

Diana Redman graduated from Ohio State University and works in the Ohio Department of Human Services. After she won a Daughters of the American Revolution essay contest in high school, her grandmother Ida Mae Young Redman told her of her connection to Thomas Jefferson. She has a love of history, especially about the lives and contributions of “everyday” people, and is proud of her family: “Whatever you want to do, the family is here to support and help you accomplish what you want.”